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Posted 28 November 2011 - 08:10 PM

For the last several days, noticed that KrZy8 was starting a bit slow, idle was fluctuating ~300 rpm, and mpg decreasing. Tonight's commute sealed the deal. Stopped to make a phone call, she stalled at idle. Fired back up, but wouldn't keep the fire unless 2k rpm held. Rode rest of way home, about 7 miles, slowly (yeah right) hoping it was bad gas - I had opened the aux tank about 20 miles earlier.


  • Checked aux fuel tank - clean, no debri, water, etc
  • Checked main tank, clean
  • Drained both tanks
  • Put known good fuel 
  • Problem remains
  • Pulled tank, all plug wires tight. 
  • Pulled #4 plug, clean,dry, looks good. (Other plugs look like the water bar need be removed to not strain plug wires, out of scope for working in dark tonight)
  • Run diagnostics - all looks good execpt an error code of 12 - crank sensor.. Hmm, this kind of makes sense.. Probably has a limp home mode? Not good for any one rpm range, but close enough to fire?
  • Clear the code via 52 and start/stop.
  • Code 12 does not come back. Arrgh.


  • Bike is popping, backfiring? at 1,200 steady rpm and on decel. 
  • Hmm, putting my hand at exhaust end yields a *sticky* hand. No steam or vapor showing, but the result is sticky, somewhat glossy hands. Not wet - just a film of sticky that's more than obvious and new. Fortunately, I know the exhaust feel of KrZy8 as I routinely warm my hands after riding to work in the early AM with the exhaust. This sticky stuff is new. I'm thinking a blown head gasket and the sticky feel is coolant. The popping is due to lean mixture due to water in the combustion process.



    Any ideas or tests I can? Do you agree with my hypothesis?



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Posted 28 November 2011 - 08:15 PM

Any white smoke out of the exhaust? 
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Posted 28 November 2011 - 08:17 PM

Bummer to hear Don.



Hmmm. Check the battery terminals (doesn't explain sticky hand but then I don't know where your hand has been :P ).



Check your oil. Is it the same color, and or has it gotten foamy?



Also does the bike over heat (classic head gasket issue)?



I'd also check all the plugs, that's the best read on how the engine is running.



Clogged fuel filter?



Bad fuel pump?



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Posted 28 November 2011 - 08:18 PM

View PostBearly Flying, on 28 November 2011 - 08:15 PM, said:

Any white smoke out of the exhaust?



No, at least not while warm. 

Haven't fired after a cool down. 



I imagine a next step would be to check the overflow / radiator for bubbles? 

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 08:20 PM

All the plugs look the same? If your running lean should be some white chalky deposits on the effected cylinder 
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Posted 28 November 2011 - 08:23 PM

View PostFJRBluesman, on 28 November 2011 - 08:17 PM, said:

Bummer to hear Don.



Hmmm. Check the battery terminals (doesn't explain sticky hand but then I don't know where your hand has been :P ).



Check your oil. Is it the same color, and or has it gotten foamy?



Also does the bike over heat (classic head gasket issue)?



I'd also check all the plugs, that's the best read on how the engine is running.



Good luck, keep us posted.



Will check batt terminals.. but everything else is sat - voltage, lights, etc.. 

Oil - good call.. but if it's a head gasket leak why would oil get foamy? I'm envisioning a gasket blow out between water jacket and combustion cylinder(s), 2 and 3 (would explain both exhaust's being 'sticky').. 

No overheat yet, and temp gauge still indicates.. (thinking water is still in the block surrounding sender)

Plugs - yeah, need to do, but pulling even #4 (greatest service loop, put a strain on the cap) - would want to pull the water bar first before pulling the others.. ?


View PostBearly Flying, on 28 November 2011 - 08:20 PM, said:

All the plugs look the same? If your running lean should be some white chalky deposits on the effected cylinder



Don, only pulled #4 - the others have really wiring and I'm afraid it will pull the boot out of the wire unless I first pull the water pipe thingie.. 

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 08:25 PM

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Clogged fuel filter?



Bad fuel pump?



Both tanks look exceptionally clean - no debris or contamination I can see.

Fuel pump? Don't yet know - no pressure test yet.



Still - the 'sticky' exhaust has me intrigued. It has to be a clue? :huh:

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 08:34 PM

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It has to be a clue? :huh:







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Maybe a compression check might help or a leak down test. 



Normally a head gasket will produce the white smoke exhaust, depending on how bad it is...If it's stalling should be pretty bad.



No other changes recently?



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Posted 28 November 2011 - 09:03 PM

Head gasket - coolant to combustion chamber.



If large gap, possible hydrolock. Es no bueno. Don't think this is the case, it most likely wouldn't run if was. Symptoms you describe don't fit. 



Steam in exhaust. Coolant smell, taste, feel. 



Air in cooling system. Listen for percolation. Look for low coolant level. 



Compression check would be quickest method of diagnosis. 



ALSO - Possible vacuum leak. Not as likely, but possibly. Would have to be a large one to affect engine to the extent you describe. 



Just for grins, check the fuel injector rail for tightness. It's held in place by two M6 (might be M8, can't quite remember) screws. If it's loose, you could have vacuum leaks in two or more injector ports. 



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Posted 28 November 2011 - 09:41 PM

What's the "sticky stuff?" Is it coolant? If it is, it should smell like coolant. That wouldn't be good. 
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Posted 28 November 2011 - 10:47 PM

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What's the "sticky stuff?" Is it coolant?











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Posted 28 November 2011 - 08:10 PM

For the last several days, noticed that KrZy8 was starting a bit slow, idle was fluctuating ~300 rpm, and mpg decreasing. Tonight's commute sealed the deal. Stopped to make a phone call, she stalled at idle. Fired back up, but wouldn't keep the fire unless 2k rpm held. Rode rest of way home, about 7 miles, slowly (yeah right) hoping it was bad gas - I had opened the aux tank about 20 miles earlier.
  • Checked aux fuel tank - clean, no debri, water, etc
  • Checked main tank, clean
  • Drained both tanks
  • Put known good fuel
  • Problem remains
  • Pulled tank, all plug wires tight.
  • Pulled #4 plug, clean,dry, looks good. (Other plugs look like the water bar need be removed to not strain plug wires, out of scope for working in dark tonight)
  • Run diagnostics - all looks good execpt an error code of 12 - crank sensor.. Hmm, this kind of makes sense.. Probably has a limp home mode? Not good for any one rpm range, but close enough to fire?
  • Clear the code via 52 and start/stop.
  • Code 12 does not come back. Arrgh.
  • Bike is popping, backfiring? at 1,200 steady rpm and on decel.
  • Hmm, putting my hand at exhaust end yields a *sticky* hand. No steam or vapor showing, but the result is sticky, somewhat glossy hands. Not wet - just a film of sticky that's more than obvious and new. Fortunately, I know the exhaust feel of KrZy8 as I routinely warm my hands after riding to work in the early AM with the exhaust. This sticky stuff is new. I'm thinking a blown head gasket and the sticky feel is coolant. The popping is due to lean mixture due to water in the combustion process.

    Any ideas or tests I can? Do you agree with my hypothesis?


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Posted 29 November 2011 - 03:14 AM

You don't need to remove the water pipe thingy to check the other plugs. I just changed all my plugs with it in place, no problem.

As to your issue, if the oil is not foamy (water in oil), and the coolant level is fine, then I wouldn't think head gasket. You need to check one of the plugs from cylinders 2 or 3. If they look extremely rich, then the sticky stuff from the exhaust could be unburnt gas. Does the exhaust smell rich? I'm thinking it could be the 2/3 coil or bad connection to the 2/3 coil. Don't disregard that error code 12, I think it is a hint towards the problem.

Got my fingers crossed for you that it's just a bad connection. 
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 03:18 AM

A coolant leak into the combustion chamber would give a "sweet" smell out of the exhaust while running. Napa has a Combustion Leak Tester (Part #BK. 700-1006) which uses a chemical that changes color from blue to yellow if there is exhaust gas in the cooling system. You need to run the engine with the radiator cap off and the engine up to normal operating temperature to use this kit. From personal experience it is accurate when the liquid turns yellow. Good luck I hope it is something other then a headgasket. 
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 03:39 AM

View Post64Y80, on 29 November 2011 - 03:14 AM, said:

You don't need to remove the water pipe thingy to check the other plugs. I just changed all my plugs with it in place, no problem.

As to your issue, if the oil is not foamy (water in oil), and the coolant level is fine, then I wouldn't think head gasket. You need to check one of the plugs from cylinders 2 or 3. If they look extremely rich, then the sticky stuff from the exhaust could be unburnt gas. Does the exhaust smell rich? I'm thinking it could be the 2/3 coil or bad connection to the 2/3 coil. Don't disregard that error code 12, I think it is a hint towards the problem.

Got my fingers crossed for you that it's just a bad connection.


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Posted 29 November 2011 - 06:55 AM

Lift the plug wires by the boot, after giving them a quarter turn either direction to "break" them loose from the plug. Don't pull on the wire alone, or you'll get just the wire, although that's not the disaster it sounds like.

Absolutely no reason to pull the water pipe just for the plugs. The PAIR system will be in the way, though!

The bike won't run at all if conditions exist to set a code 12, so that may have come from something that happened some time back, turned the bike on without everything hooked up. 
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 06:56 AM

Change yer blinker fluid, Don. Duh - even know that.

And that sticky stuff... Well, you did ride with Bust back in August. Maybe he 'did' something.

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View Post64Y80, on 29 November 2011 - 03:14 AM, said:

Got my fingers crossed for you that it's just a bad connection.



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Posted 29 November 2011 - 07:36 AM

I did the same for Don as I did you Andy.. Pissed in the tank several times, and railed away on the tailpipe.;)
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 07:47 AM

View Postkaitsdad, on 28 November 2011 - 09:03 PM, said:

Head gasket - coolant to combustion chamber.
Steam in exhaust. Coolant smell, taste, feel. 
Air in cooling system. Listen for percolation. Look for low coolant level. 
No steam in exhaust, exhaust smells 'normal' FWIW.. then again, my sense of smell is weak. 

Compression check would be quickest method of diagnosis. 
Borrowing a bud's pro comp check kit tomorrow.
ALSO - Possible vacuum leak. Not as likely, but possibly. Would have to be a large one to affect engine to the extent you describe. 
Like if the Audiovox 'vacuum accumulator' split a seam or something?

Just for grins, check the fuel injector rail for tightness. It's held in place by two M6 (might be M8, can't quite remember) screws. If it's loose, you could have vacuum leaks in two or more injector ports. 
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View Post64Y80, on 29 November 2011 - 03:14 AM, said:

You don't need to remove the water pipe thingy to check the other plugs. I just changed all my plugs with it in place, no problem.
I think the spark leads are routed non-stock, they run under the coolant pipe. I don't see how there is enough service loop given the long cap boot and subsequent distance required to clear the plug and head walls... How are your plug wires routed - over or under the pipe?

As to your issue, if the oil is not foamy (water in oil), and the coolant level is fine, then I wouldn't think head gasket. 
Check for foam via the oil window port or by draining?

You need to check one of the plugs from cylinders 2 or 3. If they look extremely rich, then the sticky stuff from the exhaust could be unburnt gas. Does the exhaust smell rich? I'm thinking it could be the 2/3 coil or bad connection to the 2/3 coil. Don't disregard that error code 12, I think it is a hint towards the problem.
I know that 4 is throwing a good spark - and I ran the diag to spark the plugs - w/o looking at the plugs of course, but the sound heard for both banks was identical.

Got my fingers crossed for you that it's just a bad connection.





View Post72Duster340, on 29 November 2011 - 03:18 AM, said:

A coolant leak into the combustion chamber would give a "sweet" smell out of the exhaust while running. Napa has a Combustion Leak Tester (Part #BK. 700-1006) which uses a chemical that changes color from blue to yellow if there is exhaust gas in the cooling system. 
My sense of smell is limited, always has been. Given that, I can't detect any change. Hey, I know, I'll sniff the DL650 then go sniff the FJR. That may be helpful. I see the Napa part is about 50 bucks - not bad. Thanks for the hint.
 





View Postwfooshee, on 29 November 2011 - 06:55 AM, said:

Lift the plug wires by the boot, after giving them a quarter turn either direction to "break" them loose from the plug. Don't pull on the wire alone, or you'll get just the wire, although that's not the disaster it sounds like.
I did the quarter turn thing, all caps are seated on plugs. 

Absolutely no reason to pull the water pipe just for the plugs. The PAIR system will be in the way, though!
My PAIR has been removed can capped. However, I do have an Audiovox cruise control stuffed into the compartment just ahead of the plugs. That maybe why I don't have much if any service loop.


The bike won't run at all if conditions exist to set a code 12, so that may have come from something that happened some time back, turned the bike on without everything hooked up.
Now that's something very good to know - it doesn't have a limp home mode? If true, and you seem to know your stuff, then I can eliminate the crank sensor/circuit. Am I right to assume that it would throw the code again if the problem existed, after first clearing an existing code?
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 08:34 AM

View PostBearly Flying, on 28 November 2011 - 10:47 PM, said:

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What's the "sticky stuff?" Is it coolant?






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Posted 29 November 2011 - 09:34 AM

Damn DC, What a bum deal ! You know i'm waaaaaay to dumb to hep but ya got my sympathies for sure bud ! Heres hoping for a quick easy resolution !




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Posted 29 November 2011 - 09:49 AM

To Me, it sounds like a head gasket, but just for grins check to see if anything has blocked the airbox. Then check to see if the injector boots are all tight. 
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 09:53 AM

Sad to hear. I send positive energy toward Creston.... 
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 11:00 AM

Bummer, Don...check all the minor stuff first, :unsure: just maybe....good luck... :exhappysmiley:
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 11:05 AM

Good luck with your fix. Anxious to hear what it was.

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 02:01 PM

If the head gasket was leaking in a place where it would otherwise seal a coolant passage then you would get a milky color in your oil from the coolant mixing in. It would be obvious. And you would smell coolant in the exhaust. 

It is possible for the gasket to give out between two cylinders without a breach in the coolant seal. That would cause compression problems and possibly cross firing where flame from on cylinder ignites across to the other and ignites it out of time. If this is happening it can erode the metal of the head and/or cylinder wall. 

I can't explain the sticky hand. :o
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 02:17 PM

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Now that's something very good to know - it doesn't have a limp home mode? If true, and you seem to know your stuff, then I can eliminate the crank sensor/circuit. Am I right to assume that it would throw the code again if the problem existed, after first clearing an existing code?



If it had no signal from the crankshaft sensor, it would have no clue when to fire the plugs, since there's no mechanical distributor. Won't run without that sensor. If you turned on the bike with it unplugged you'd set the code. (It might not set till you tried to crank, but I think it would set with power on.) It wouldn't be an intermittent problem, I don't think.

Here's a shot I took some time back, documenting my AVCC install. The wire with the red band is one of the plug wires, and you can see another one above it headed over to the left side of the engine. Don't know how that compares with yours. Obviously the PAIR stuff is still there.
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 02:22 PM

Read through the thread, Don. A sticky hand does not a blown head gasket make. 

I'd be looking for something else, and more clues. Watch that Prof. Plum! 
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 02:41 PM

View PostGeezer, on 29 November 2011 - 02:01 PM, said:

If the head gasket was leaking in a place where it would otherwise seal a coolant passage then you would get a milky color in your oil from the coolant mixing in. It would be obvious. And you would smell coolant in the exhaust. 

Would the milky oil be obvious via the site window?



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View Postdcarver, on 29 November 2011 - 07:47 AM, said:

Now that's something very good to know - it doesn't have a limp home mode? If true, and you seem to know your stuff, then I can eliminate the crank sensor/circuit. Am I right to assume that it would throw the code again if the problem existed, after first clearing an existing code?



If it had no signal from the crankshaft sensor, it would have no clue when to fire the plugs, since there's no mechanical distributor. Won't run without that sensor. If you turned on the bike with it unplugged you'd set the code. (It might not set till you tried to crank, but I think it would set with power on.) It wouldn't be an intermittent problem, I don't think.

Here's a shot I took some time back, documenting my AVCC install. The wire with the red band is one of the plug wires, and you can see another one above it headed over to the left side of the engine. Don't know how that compares with yours. Obviously the PAIR stuff is still there.
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It looks like your plug wires are over the inlet water pipe. Mine are under, limiting them of service loop. I'll look more soon, hopefully tonight. 


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Read through the thread, Don. A sticky hand does not a blown head gasket make. 

I'd be looking for something else, and more clues. Watch that Prof. Plum!

Will do. Any idea why so suddenly sticky? :unsure: 

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 02:56 PM

re: crank sensor. 

I managed to crimp the lead from the crank sensor under the crank/timing chain cover whilst doing the timing chain adjuster. Ran, but ran like sh!t. I believe it is a shielded cable (like a guitar or microphone cable). Might be worth checking along the cable for damage to it. 

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 04:08 PM

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Will do. Any idea why so suddenly sticky? :unsure: 




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Posted 29 November 2011 - 04:11 PM

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I would start by trying to isolate the problem. Check the spark, fuel pressure, compression. If all that checks out you may want to put new plugs in then look for a vacuum leak (check to make sure the rubber caps used for syncing are intact). Actually check the caps first, and all the vacuum lines like the one for the IAP or Map sensor.

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 04:14 PM

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Will do. Any idea why so suddenly sticky? :unsure: 




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Posted 29 November 2011 - 06:20 PM

 beemerdons, on 29 November 2011 - 04:14 PM, said:

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 dcarver, on 29 November 2011 - 02:41 PM, said:

Will do. Any idea why so suddenly sticky? :unsure: 




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Posted 29 November 2011 - 06:34 PM

Dude you are SO assfuked next time I see You.. 
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 07:38 PM

More testing tonight -

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Diagnostic code results - <clicky>

..and finally, spark plugs. Note that cyl 1 & 2 were much nosier, with popping, and exhaust flow at left pipe irregular and compared to 3 and 4, right pipe.


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Posted 29 November 2011 - 07:45 PM

My brother ....................I think you are fucked.

This sucks balls bad! Fuk man.. fuk fukity fuk fuk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! 
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 08:02 PM

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My brother ....................I think you are fucked.

This sucks balls bad! Fuk man.. fuk fukity fuk fuk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !


A head gasket doesn't scare me. I'm only ~10k away from 150k, she's given good service. No complaints. If the head has damage, then that's another story. 

So you think it's a blown head gasket too? 

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 08:04 PM

Chocolate milk in the crankcase is the #1 symptom. 

You, Sir, have a happy gasket. But not in a good way. 

Fook.

Oh yeah - drain the oil asap. Get the water out of the case. 
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 08:14 PM

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Chocolate milk in the crankcase is the #1 symptom. 

You, Sir, have a happy gasket. But not in a good way. 

Fook.

Oh yeah - drain the oil asap. Get the water out of the case.


Will do tomorrow. I'm past my beddie-bye time right now.. :o 

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 08:18 PM

Look at it this way: if you're gonna get coolant in the oil, a fault at the head gasket is the best way to have it happen. . . . 
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 08:21 PM

Sorry Don. My questions and your answers via pix, have confirmed to me your head gasket launched. A classic blown HG is water in the oil makeing it bubbily/foamy looking, and a murkey light chocolate color like yours. Water has started entering your crank case and it's getting higher.

Also that one plug looks mighty slimey, confirming the no power lugging along on coolant.

Hopefully it's only the head gasket and not a water jacket issue that's cracked or something where the motor is no bueno.

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 08:21 PM

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Look at it this way: if you're gonna get coolant in the oil, a fault at the head gasket is the best way to have it happen. . . .

Wfoo - you also think it's a head gasket? How else could you get water in oil? Blown case? 

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 08:37 PM

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View Postwfooshee, on 29 November 2011 - 08:18 PM, said:

Look at it this way: if you're gonna get coolant in the oil, a fault at the head gasket is the best way to have it happen. . . .

Wfoo - you also think it's a head gasket? How else could you get water in oil? Blown case?

Yes. See my boat story above. A head gasket is easier, a cracked water jacket is a new to you motor. Either way you must pull the head first, that will tell you what's up next, a new head gasket or more exploratory surgery. :dribble: :(

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 10:21 PM

Sadly, I agree that the oil showing in your sight glass is classic for coolant contamination.
The quicker you can get that mix out of the engine/gearbox, the better...
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